What about there not being a year name or number that is set in "STONE".

How about the stone tells us individually what the Year is.
For instance, Freethinkers can sink into the year that they feel it to be, 5118... and Chinese can have it as 4702, and Jewish can have it as 5765, and the Druids year could be the magic year of the Hawthorn(where the 13 year and 28 year cycle have matched up to be the same year... quite synchronic. A Magic Forest Year)

Do you all see what I mean?

I have started following the 13 Moon 28 day Harmonic Standard not only from the Dreamspell correlate of July 26 Grego, but also layering from day one of my birth.

I am in year 28, even though I am 27 lived cycles around the Sun, I am living a 28th year right now which is 4 times 7.
Big year for me, living a kin 33 year.

I just know for a fact, everyone doesn't always agree, especially on Time. We all experience Time uniquely.
If we cannot be within harmony of our own internal personal time how are we too synchronize with others in Time.

I think the Gregorian isn't WRONG... it is a reference...
how bout them apples.

Neither do I think that anything that has been created is wrong,
(sitting back watching for rotten tomatoes!)

It is all DIVINE.

There is a lesson in all of it.
The 12 Month Calendar, the 60...
6 is the power of light and rhythm.
12 is the power of cooperation, seems as if we haven't totally learned from it yet... eh?

Looks like we need more 12 medicine.

13 is transcending. When we reach that unified through feeling it and experience, do you really think it matters selling something to someone, they will feel you, and if they don't it is not their time.
Once again, we are all unique in our timing...

Whether you believe in God or not, we all have this simple connection.

As a suggestion, I tried throwing info to those who were not ready to listen for 4 years of my life, and the only time that
it was heard was when I was hearing myself, and feeling myself, and living myself, and being within that harmony myself.
Its like arguing with a fish to bite onto the bait.
It just doesn't work like that, you have to settle down, and be present, and know that the day at the riverbank, may not have been about catching fish, but aboput your own personal growth and awakening.

This is all a choice. Arguing points and debate are not the center of this Prophetic Journey, nor that it is wrong, I have no judgement on it, I am clarifying that that also served me to see deeper into myself, as others have served me with hard reflections that have shown me light to greater doorways.

Yet, my recent transformation has been releasing into the Now.
Not saying it, but bringing that into every facet of myself.
LIVING, BREATHING, SHARING FROM, DEEPENING INTO...
I am sure there are those whom are now tired of just reading because they want to respect my writing and are so ready to respond with their already formulated response to my writing...and they aren't totally hearing me... I ask those who I just caught doing that to take a breath and relax... Its not about reaction... take the c and move it in front of the r...
you have CREATION... I say this so we can be present again.
Slowing down, living the life you feel brings you harmony, going into the system and carrying that harmony with you, it is not as easy as it reads... is the way that others will see the power in this magic that we carry with us, for when it is no longer words and numbers, the whole universe will support us all.

As a suggestion.
Slow down you move too fast, you gotta make the moment last so... listen to your passionate hearts, track your cycles and keep it groovie!

Peace.

Window of Soul Reflection

Hey Jacob.

This sounds cool. I totally understand the need for a simple system we can all go forward with. I see where you're coming from with the Year not necesarily being the beginning of the new age, but rather a point of beginning for the Wizards' Count. That's cool too!

Anyway I just wanted to add my note of support for the idea. Thanks also to solarskywalker and ormungandr for getting the conversation started in the first place...

I hope i'm not complicating the issue too much, but given that a system has now been settled upon, I am wondering how one would write dates before July 26, 1987. Let's say, I wanted to write my birthdate (July 15, 1983), does that mean I'm born on the

13.19.-5

Cosmic Moon, Day 19, Year of the Red Electric Moon (-5)

???

Thanks again..

Nick

hey Sky,

nice to see you around again! i thought you had left for good...

i'm glad you posted this, it has motivated me to put together some ideas that have been floating around the old dome for a bit now.

Cooperation with other calendar-reform groups! the PAN/13Moon reform is by no means the only one that has been suggested. Our movement is so comprehensive that it can't be expected that any one kin can devote themselves fully to every aspect. it seems to me that most active PAN members are more into making artwork and teaching the metaphysical/spiritual aspects of the calendar than doing any sort of mainstream campaining.
perhaps it's time we let the calendar reform movement free from the idea of galactic signatures and rainbow bridges and stuff and find a way to unify the various other reform groups so they can do some of the campain work with our full support.

that is if we are even interested in mainstream reform... the grassroots/personal calendar-change probably being more important (and so far much more successful.)

if we are to coordinate with other reform groups we need to put aside any superstitious baggage we may be carrying so the proposed calendar can be as universal and effective as possible.
I for one, and I know others who have contributed to this discussion feel the same, am not out to eradicate the Gregorian calendar. I simply want to wake people up that certain elements of the Gregorian are irrational and that there are other more rational ways to measure time. Chiefly these elements are the irregular lenght of the months and the idiocy of the month-names in which months 9-12 correspond linguistically to numbers 7-10. it would also be nice to see the number 13 get its just-due scientifically as the number describing the dynamic of time.

in the gregorian count decades and centuries maintain consistency of ratio and therefore i don't feel this aspect is in desparate need of reform. however, if we do change the year number system i'm fine with that too. i'm fine with starting from harmonic-convergence, or whenever... this isn't a priority or agenda of mine. i simply don't want to coopt the traditional mayan starting date.

so how about we free the discussion from the confines of this movement which has its fair share of woo-woo new-agey flakes and hand it over to more mainstream folk likely to actually be accorded some respect by the powers that be. (i myself am useless in this regard... i don't even have a frickin bank account...)

so i submit this to you Sky, and anyone else who would like (i say Sky specific because in the past i know you have worked hard on making calendar reform a credible mainstream idea). i have included a list of various current or recent reform movements at the end of this post. perhaps we can formulate a common format that will appeal to all the groups and draw us all together.

researching this i realized that it really may be crucial for mainstream success to keep the continual seven-day week going, because otherwise members of some of the world's biggest religions will be taking their sabbath days in the middle of the week...
we can still keep the 13 moon 28 day cycle, but the DOOT would need to be dealt with differently

i see these as possibly necessary compromises for the purpose of universal reform only. for active members of PAN of course the DOOT and our time-science education and everything will still remain the same in our teachings, but also people who would otherwise never give PAN the time of day will still be sychronizing themselves on a far deeper level than the current Gregorian months allow

so i'm thinkin the main aspects we need of the reform are Consistency of Ratio, accurate names, and compromise with religious practices (catholics are not the only ones who take sabbath on the weekend).

the month names advocated by the other reform groups do not pass this test as most of them retain the gregorian babel. and i don't think the 13th month should in any case be named after a person. I think it should just be kept simple, month one could be called 1st Month, month 2 could be called 2nd Month, etc. this is simple and uncontroversial.

tackling this issue is way more than i could possibly fit on my plate at this time, i just want to present this in hopes that others might add their own ideas and efforts

i don't expect anyone to take this seriously or pay attention to my ramblings, this and all my other rhetoric is simply what's on my mind... no censorship or apologies


so here's the list... enjoy and make of it what you will... peace & happy equinox everyone!
-aaron electric dragon



Calendar Reform Proposals



The 13 Month Sol Calendar
www.io.com/~quiver/Calendar.html
Configuration:
Twelve contiguous and identical months of exactly 28 days
The last, thirteenth month of the year (December) has 29 days normally and 30 days in a leap year
The new month (Sol) occurs between June and July

Features:Avoids the use of intercalary days and the disruption of the standard week
Implements the 13 period financial calendar already in wide use in business and accounting
Placing the new month (Sol) at mid-year minimizes the seasonal displacement of the traditional months
Placing the extra day(s) year-end allows all months to be identical for their first 28 days in any given year
Although not perpetual, the calendar does offer an easy method for date/day calculations:

If you know the day of the week that January 1st occurred upon, it is quite simple to mentally calculate any day/date for the rest of the year. Subtract the highest possible multiple of 7 from the date in question and, beginning with the day of the week January 1st fell upon, count remainder (modulus) number of days for the answer.
Example: Assuming January 1st was a Friday, what day of the week does October 17th fall upon.
Answer: 17-(7*2)=3; beginning with Friday, count 3 days (Friday, Saturday, Sunday); October 17th is a Sunday

You also know that the first of every month will fall on exactly the same day as in January, thereby making it trivial to calculate a date in any other month.
Example: Assuming January 1st was a Friday, what is the 3rd Monday in May?
Answer: The first Monday in January was the 4th, therefore the third Monday was January 18th. Since all the months are identical for the first 28 days, the third Monday in May would also be the 18th.





International Fixed Calendar

The calendar year has 13 months each with 28 days plus an extra day at the end of the year not belonging to any month. Each year coincides with the corresponding Gregorian year.
The months are named the same as for the Gregorian calendar except that a month called Sol or Midi is inserted between June and July.
In leap years, a leap day, also belonging to no month is inserted between June and the new month. Common years are 365 days long; leap years are 366 days long.
The first day of each year, January 1, is deemed a Sunday and every subsequent day that belongs to a month is deemed to be in the conventional 7-day week (the days of which go, in order, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, followed by Sunday of the next week).
Days that do not belong to a month are deemed to be outside the week and always occur between a day deemed to be Saturday and a day deemed to be Sunday.
Since each month consists of exactly four weeks, the first day of each month and every seventh day after that for the rest of the month is deemed to be a Sunday, the second day of each month and every seventh day after that for the rest of the month is deemed to be a Monday, and so on. So each month begins on a Sunday and ends on a Saturday, just like each conventional week.

The International Fixed Calendar League, with offices In London and in Rochester, New York, ceased activities in the 1930s. In recent years there have been attempts to revive the plan.
The International Perpetual calendar is based on the Positivist Calendar published in 1849 by French philosopher Auguste Comte (1798-1857). Comte based his calendar on Polynesian calendars. The main difference between the International Perpetual calendar and the Positivist calendar is the names Comte gave to months and days. The months in the Positivist calendar were, in order: Moses, Homer, Aristotle, Archimedes, Caesar, St. Paul, Charlemagne, Dante, Gutenberg, Shakespeare, Descartes, Frederick II and Bichat. Every day of the year was likewise named. Positivist weeks, and Positivist months, begin with Monday instead of Sunday.



Pax Calendar
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Calendar
The Pax calendar was invented by James A. Colligan in 1930 as a reform of the Gregorian calendar.
Unlike other proposals such as the International Fixed Calendar and the World Calendar, it preserves the 7-day week by intercalating a week to a perpetual year of 52 weeks = 364 days.
The year is divided into 13 months of 28 days, whose names are the same as in the Gregorian calendar except that a month called Columbus occurs between November and December. The first day of every week, month and year would be Sunday.
In years that have an extra week, a one-week month called Pax would be inserted after Columbus.
No. Name Days
1 January 28
2 February 28
3 March 28
4 April 28
5 May 28
6 June 28
7 July 28
8 August 28
9 September 28
10 October 28
11 November 28
12 Columbus 28
Pax (Leap week) 7
13 December 28

To get the same mean year as the Gregorian Calendar it adds a leap week to 71 out of 400 years. It does so by adding the leap week Pax to every year whose last two digits make up a number that is divisible by six. Years ending with 00 have Pax, if and only if the year number is not divisible by 400.




New Earth Calendar www.newearthcalendar.com/
The New Earth Calendar is a proposal for calendar reform by James A. Reich providing for a perpetual 364-day year of 13 identical months of 28 days each. Every five years with certain exceptions, a "leap week" would be added after December 28th, to bring the year into alignment with the solar cycle.
The months are named the same as they are in the Gregorian calendar, except that a new month called Luna is inserted between June and July. Each month begins on a Monday and ends on a Sunday.
The calendar is perpetual. It never changes from year to year. Each month, and each week, begins on a Monday and ends on a Sunday Because a date in one year will occur on the same weekday in all years to come, business, government, educational institutions and other similar organizations would be able to schedule once and rely on the same dates in future years. Weekdays are tied to specific days of the month every month, every year. Four equal business quarters of 91 days/13 weeks Does not ignore "off-calendar" days as other proposals do. All days are accounted for in leap years.




The World Calendartheworldcalendar.org/
The World Calendar is a 12-month, perennial calendar with equal quarters. It is perennial because it remains the same every year.
Our present Gregorian calendar is not perennial, but annual. It changes every year. It does so because its typical 365-day length, which represents the annual cycle of one Earth orbit around the Sun, is not evenly divisible by the number of days in the week (365 / 7 = 52, r 1). The unfortunate consequence of that one-day remainder is that the year typically begins and ends on the same weekday. So the next year must begin on the following weekday. This requires a new calendar every year.
Technically, our Gregorian calendar is a variously ordered cycle of 14 calendars. The calendar for the year beginning on Sunday differs from the one for the year beginning on Monday, and so on for all seven weekdays. Since the occurrence of leap year can alter any of these seven calendars, this raises the total to 14 calendars.
That's the mess the 365th day causes. If we could take that day out of the calendar, the new year would typically begin on the very same weekday as the previous year. And if we likewise could take leap day out of the calendar, the new year would always begin on the same weekday. We'd thus have a perennial calendar.
That's the rationale on which The World Calendar is based. Without deviating from the solar cycle of approximately 365.24 days, it simply regards the 365th day as a 24-hour waiting period before resuming the calendar again. These off-calendar days, also known as "blank days" or "intercalary days," aren't weekdays. It seems most reasonable to treat them as holidays.
More Advantages of The World Calendar.
The World Calendar, promoted by The World Calendar Association beginning in 1930, has noticeable benefits for scheduling and planning that the Gregorian calendar lacks. Other advantages are less obvious.
Numbered days of the month always fall on the same weekdays: so the birthday of Tuesday's Child is always on a Tuesday.
No need to schedule events by cumbersome weekday-and-month designations, like "The first Tuesday after the first Monday in November".
The year divides regularly into quarters of equal size (91 days), with the same number of workdays (65) and weekend-days (26) in each quarter: a great improvement over the Gregorian calendar for statistical comparisons between quarters.
The variations in month-length are more regular than the Gregorian calendar: most months have 30 days; the first months of the
quarters (January, April, July, October) have 31.
Excluding Sundays, all months have
the same number of days: 26.
By building on preparation that has already begun, transition from the Gregorian calendar will be effortless and straightforward. Seamless reform instituted on 1 January 2012 (otherwise a Gregorian year beginning on Sunday) won't even bring noticeable change until the end of February, 2012. The seven dates affected at the ends of February, March, April, May, August and December 2012 will then become completely dependable annual fixtures of years thereafter. Just as The World Calendar is simple, so will be its continued use.
This website is designed so that visitors may achieve an appreciation for this unique calendar. Within context of calendar history and consequential results, acting towards THE WORLD CALENDAR IN 2012 becomes part of daily priorities.



Calendar Change Splinter Group
ameba@ameba.com
The foremost purpose of the 13th Column is to promote the world wide adoption of a 13 month Calendar. The rational for this revolutionary activity is thus outlined:
1. The importance of the calendar as a mechanism for control cannot be over emphasized.
2. It is not appropriate that a global calendar should reference the beliefs of a particular culture.
3. The simplicity of a 13 month calendar reveals an absence of cultural bias.
The 13 month calendar shall be structured as follows:
1. The solar year shall be divided into 13 months.
2. Each month shall be divided into 4 weeks.
3. The week shall be 7 days long.
4. 4 x 7 = 28 : 28 x 13 = 364 : 364 + 1 Day Out of Time = 365
5. The Day Out of Time is a day without number.
6. Every 52 years the ¼ day lost each year shall comprise a thirteen day Planetary Jubilee.
7. The last day of the old time is December 21st 2012
13th Column is a splinter group of the Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Peace Movement. Inspired by the early political ambition of the time revolutionary Jose Arguelles, the 13c was formed in reaction to the celebratory excess of the Northern California calendar change advocates. The 13th Column was encouraged when Jose Arguelles also broke from the Northern California element and was in a state of allegiance with Arguelles even during the ambiguous Rinri years. Currently the Foundation for the Law of Time, the official mouthpiece of the Arguelles led calendar change movement, is based in Sandpoint, Idaho USA. www.tortuga.com is their main means of information dissemination. Based on information there the 13c has again realized the necessity of taking a stance apart from the mainstream of the movement.
The 13c denounces the emphasis on the esoteric aspects of Dreamspell, Rinri, 7:7::7:7 etc…
The 13c denounces the concept of a 13 month calendar that uses Gregorian Leap years instead of the 13 day Planetary Jubilee, uses July 25th as the Day Out of Time, and uses names or ethnic symbols to describe the days of a planetary calendar.
The 13c denounces the emphasis on portraying the 13 month calendar as a lunar calendar or a Mayan calendar.
The 13c does not expect to convert masses or correct the errors of the mainstream of Thirteen Moon Calendar Change Peace Movement. A means must be found to lead the Financial institutions with the computer technology they depend, to an acceptance of the New Time. This being accomplished there will be little else to do.
The 13c is interested especially in individuals with self discipline and specialized knowledge in fields relating to calendar theory and accounting software design.
There are many aspects of the Foundation for the Law of Time that have merit and the 13c does not discourage members to investigate creative and occult work for the ultimate purpose of installing the New Time and discovering a Unified Aesthetic Theory.




The Common-Civil-Calendar-and-Time
Features
The C&T Calendar is perpetual
Each year has 364 days and exactly 52 weeks
Each year starts on a Sunday and ends on a Saturday
Christmas Day is set every year on a Sunday
Every five or six years, a "leap week" or "mini-Month" of seven days named "Newton" is added to the calendar between June and July
Every month except Newton is either 30 or 31 days in length
The four quarters all begin on a Sunday, and end on a Saturday
Quarters are equal (91 days), except during leap years, when the second quarter is 97 days long
The C&T Calendar would be identical to the current calendar 15 percent of the time, and only one day different 29 percent of the time.
Criteria Assessed
Does this calendar effectively address current concerns with the Gregorian Calendar?
Yes. The Common-Civil-and-Time-Calendar (C&T for short) is perpetual, solving the problem of a calendar that changes each year. It was logically planned and laid out by it's creator, Richard Conn Henry, a professor of astronomy at Johns Hopkins University. Confusion over which months have 31 days is virtually erased, since the last month of every quarter each have 31 days, the rest have 30. That's very easy to remember.
The calendar resembles the World Calendar in that it has two months of 30 days in a quarter, then a month with 31 days. However, the C&T Calendar reverses the order by placing the 31-day month at the end of hte quarter. The C&T Calendar is a seeming improvement over the World Calendar in that it has no "null" or "off-calendar" days.
Does it present any problems of its own?
As with other calendar reform proposals with leap weeks, the year varies in length from year to year by more than one day (in this case, by seven days.) The C&T year may be 364 days long or 371 days long.
Some will object to allowing the calendar to drift seven days out of sync with the sun before the "correction" of the Newton week/mini-month is added.
Others (notably those born or married during the Newton Week) will object to not having direct annual anniversaries to their birthdates or weddings. Like other calendar makers who have varying-length years, Henry suggests simply moving the date - celebrating at the end of June or the first week of July, perhaps. The Newton week also has no easily rememberd placement rule, as the Gregorian's leap day does (every fourth year, except when divisible by 400.) A chart, derived from astronomical formulae, must be used.
In a leap year, the four perfect quarters selling point goes out the window with the added Newton week.
The "New Calendar Rhyme" Test:
"March, June, September, and December have thirty-one days, all the rest have 30. Newton has seven, and arrives every fifth or sixth year."
How easy would it be for this calendar to be adopted?
Newton may not be controversial, but the week named for him likely would be. Compounding the existing problem of a one-day leap year by adding 7 days to the calendar so infrequently presents a huge problem for an otherwise good effort at solving the Gregorian problem.
However, it would be easy for people to learn the length of months, and businesses would enjoy the relative symmetry of the quarters in this proposal.
Prof. Henry, like other would-be calendar reformers, has, during media interviews, made the suggestion that the Newton leap week should be a "paid vacation." Others have suggested that "null" days be considered "world holidays." Both tend to suggest elitism and a bit of hubris.
It also should be noted that Prof. Henry wishes to adopt a new, universal standard time, in which the clocks show the same time throughout the world at the same time (thus giving the "time" moniker to his calendar.)



The Symmetry454 Calendar is a perpetual solar calendar that conserves the traditional 7-day week, has symmetrical equal quarters, and starts every month on Monday.
The Symmetry454 year has either 52 weeks = 364 days or 53 weeks = 371 days, divided into 12 months with the usual names (January to December).
Each symmetrical quarter has ( 4 + 5 + 4 ) = 13 weeks:
The first and last month of each quarter have 4 weeks, the middle month has 5 weeks (February, May, August, November).
In leap years, which occur at intervals of 5 or 6 years, December also has 5 weeks.
The preferred leap rule is based on the 52/293 cycle, which spreads leap years as uniformly as possible using simple fixed arithmetic:
It is a leap year only if the Remainder of ( 52 × Year + 166 ) / 293 is less than 52
Leap year intervals occur in groups of either ( 6 + 6 + 5 ) = 17 years, or ( 6 + 5 ) = 11 years.
These in turn can be grouped into sub-cycles of ( 3 × 17 + 11 ) = 62 years, or ( 2 × 17 + 11 ) = 45 years.
The sub-cycle pattern for the 52/293 leap cycle is ( 4 × 62 + 45 ) = 293 years.



The Holocene calendar (HE) is a proposal for a calendar reform which aims to solve a number of problems with the current Gregorian Calendar:
The Gregorian Calendar starts at the presumed year of the birth of Jesus Christ. This religious aspect of the Gregorian calendar (especially the use of Before Christ and Anno Domini) can be irritating, or even offensive, to non-religious and other non-Christian people.
Additionally, Biblical scholarship is virtually unanimous that the birth of Jesus Christ was actually a few years prior to AD 1. This makes the calendar inaccurate insofar as Christian dates are concerned.
There is no year zero. 1 BC is followed immediately by AD 1. This makes calculations complicated.
BC years count down when moving from past to future thus 44 BC is after 250 BC. This makes counting in pre-Christian era dates difficult.
The rest of BC dates (months, days) does not follow the year's count down, which is an inconsistent source of confusion.
The calendar was shifted by 10 days in the 1500s to account for a discrepancy in the earlier Julian Calendar. This makes dating of events around the period of the shift tricky.
The Holocene calendar would set the start, the epoch, of the current era to 10,000 BC. This is a first approximation of the start of the current geologic epoch, not coincidentally called the Holocene (the name means entirely recent). The motivation for this is that human civilisation (eg, the first settlements, agriculture etc.) is believed to have arisen around this time. All key dates in human history can then be listed using a simple increasing date scale with smaller dates always occurring before larger dates. Conversion to Holocene from Gregorian can be achieved simply by prefixing the year with a "1". For example, 2006 AD becomes 12006 HE.
HE is similar to a Japanese historical era known as the Jōomon Era (JE).




For more proposals www.calendarzone.com/Reform/

CHOPPER: WHich is more flakey?

The Gregorian or the Dreamspell?

The dreamspell is encoded in a True Harmonic Order. In this time it has to be rendered in parallell with the Gregorian because MOST people still by into its hypocrasy and are ruled buy its commerce.

SO I guess you chose to live according to the Gregorian I guess because you cannot undertsnad the empathetic nature of a True Harmonic order?